tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post7295473819566541017..comments2024-03-24T03:21:55.744-06:00Comments on Life On Gold Plates: No Book Contains ALL TruthBHodgeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-52333068340854938382009-01-16T15:05:00.000-07:002009-01-16T15:05:00.000-07:002 Nephi 28:30For behold, thus saith the Lord God: ...2 Nephi 28:30<BR/>For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-24121366539387258642009-01-16T10:31:00.001-07:002009-01-16T10:31:00.001-07:00To the list I would add the clear concepts of cove...To the list I would add the clear concepts of covenants, personal revelation, and another slight hint at the premortality of man. (For example, Mormon 9:13 states "And because of the redemption of man, which came by Jesus Christ, they are <B>brought back</B> into the presence of the Lord...").<BR/><BR/>I would also add the excellent explanation of the light of Christ and the universality of the atonement of Christ (as contrasted with limited atonement, etc.)BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-28583258681954755782009-01-16T09:42:00.000-07:002009-01-16T09:42:00.000-07:00A person asking me about "plain and precious thing...A person asking me about "plain and precious things" in the Book of Mormon said: <I>"If you polled a group of random, active LDS and asked them to list the "plain and precious truths" that were removed from the Bible, would you be more likely to get a list like "three degrees of glory, deification, celestial marriage, temple ordinances, Kolob and cosmos" or would you be more likely to get a list of "fall, atonement, faith, repentance, baptism, Gift of Holy Ghost"? If the former, why would the church be so unclear on it?"</I><BR/><BR/>This goes back to the original question about what the plain and precious things are. Does Nephi give any hints from his own words, or from what he elected to write? And I also wonder why the "plain and precious" truths restored are confined by you to the Book of Mormon. While I believe it plays a significant role in that regard I also see reasons to believe your view is too confined:<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>1 Ne. 13:38-40<BR/>38 And it came to pass that I beheld the remnant of the seed of my brethren, and also the book of the Lamb of God, which had proceeded forth from the mouth of the Jew, that it came forth from the Gentiles unto the remnant of the seed of my brethren.<BR/>39 And after it had come forth unto them I beheld other books, which came forth by the power of the Lamb, from the Gentiles unto them, unto the convincing of the Gentiles and the remnant of the seed of my brethren, and also the Jews who were scattered upon all the face of the earth, that the records of the prophets and of the twelve apostles of the Lamb are true.<BR/>40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.</I><BR/><BR/>There are books promised. This is confirmed later in the BoM after the visit of Christ to the Nephites. Mormon explains:<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>3 Nephi 26:6-12<BR/>6 And now there cannot be written in this book even a hundredth part of the things which Jesus did truly teach unto the people;<BR/>7 But behold the plates of Nephi do contain the more part of the things which he taught the people.<BR/>8 And these things have I written, which are a lesser part of the things which he taught the people; and I have written them to the intent that they may be brought again unto this people, from the Gentiles, according to the words which Jesus hath spoken.<BR/>9 And when they shall have received this, which is expedient that they should have first, to try their faith, and if it shall so be that they shall believe these things then shall the greater things be made manifest unto them.<BR/>10 And if it so be that they will not believe these things, then shall the greater things be withheld from them, unto their condemnation.<BR/>11 Behold, I was about to write them, all which were engraven upon the plates of Nephi, but the Lord forbade it, saying: I will try the faith of my people.<BR/>12 Therefore I, Mormon, do write the things which have been commanded me of the Lord. And now I, Mormon, make an end of my sayings, and proceed to write the things which have been commanded me.</I>BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-83665668605456251302008-12-18T12:08:00.000-07:002008-12-18T12:08:00.000-07:00The trouble with your assertions are multiple. I w...The trouble with your assertions are multiple. I will mention only one. <BR/><BR/>Your "95%" statistic is pulled from thin air. It has no foundation in fact or even in evidence. It is a bald assertion. I can assert that it is snowing in Hawaii right this second. However, my merely stating that does not make it so. Saying "most Mormons don't read the Book of Mormon" is, I believe, flatly false. <BR/><BR/>Some of your other assertions (regarding temple and priesthood) are likewise false, as the Book of Mormon discusses those things. You are correct in noting the importance of continuing revelation adapted to current circumstances of Church members, however, so you make a good point there. However, claiming that the Book of Mormon plays no part in what Mormons believe is, frankly, false.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-36900183704856970102008-12-18T11:17:00.000-07:002008-12-18T11:17:00.000-07:00Hi this is "MystryBox" from YouTube. The point of...Hi this is "MystryBox" from YouTube. The point of my comment on that video was to inform the non-mormon who made the video to not waste his time reading the BOM as it wouldn't really help him understand Mormons. I said:<BR/><BR/>"If you haven't read the BOM you're on par with 95% of Mormons. Note that most Mormon doctrine really doesn't come from the BOM anyway so reading it won't help you much. Mormons have prophets that might put out scripture, and also some sorts of doctrine are known by a sort of "group culture osmosis" but might not even be specifically written down. Being Mormon is more a lifestyle than a religion."<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>"Many (most?) key subjects of doctrine that define the Mormon church such as salvation and the C. Kingdom, WOW, temples, proxy ordinances for the dead, eternal marriage, priesthood, etc. are simply not in the BOM. They were later revelations. My original point remains that someone that reads the BOM will have no idea what the Mormons are about."<BR/><BR/>That is all true and it's probably why most mormons don't bother reading the BOM (that and it's really REALLY boring).<BR/><BR/>Best Regards<BR/>--MystryBoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com