tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post5273773435457439027..comments2024-03-24T03:21:55.744-06:00Comments on Life On Gold Plates: Roberts vs. Smith: Death Before the Fall (part 1 of 2)BHodgeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-36967569352828832772016-08-01T00:53:56.333-06:002016-08-01T00:53:56.333-06:00change address in hdfc current account<a href="http://hdfcnetbanking.co.in/what-documents-are-required-to-change-the-address-of-an-entity-in-hdfc-current-account.php" rel="nofollow">change address in hdfc current account</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15480087743278905801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-43656316435062091682010-09-05T18:15:55.122-06:002010-09-05T18:15:55.122-06:00To me this debate comes down to whether we have fa...<i>To me this debate comes down to whether we have faith in modern theory science or faith in ancient scripture.</i><br /><br />To me that is an inaccurate picture of the situation. I would rephrase it to say something like "whether we have faith in modern theories of particular branches of science or faith in contemporary attempts to make sense of ancient scripture, and in some cases erring through a fundamentalist lens that misunderstands their sources and nature."<br /><br /><i>Yet in spite of all the "evidence" of theory science it constantly is demonstrated to be wrong.</i><br /><br />I'm not sure what you mean. Scientific enterprises are built by design to weed out inaccuracies and find better resolutions to questions or problems. The advancement of technology and scientific endeavors is hardly a gigantic failure. If anything, we fail the possibilities as often as "Science" fails us, if science can even be spoken of so generally. <br /><br /><i>That is all very well but why should I believe those opinions almost destined to change, as opposed to Scripture which doesn't?</i><br /><br />Religion changes as well. That's the LDS concept of continuing revelation and "line upon line." The Law of Moses was preceded by a covenant God made with Abraham and followed by the new testament after Christ's mortal ministry. An apostasy was followed by a new and everlasting covenant, the restoration, which once had a law of plural marriage and now doesn't. There are changes occurring but this doesn't prove falsehood or hopelessness in the endeavor, in my view. <br /><br /><i>In the end we have to go by faith. Is it to be faith in ever changing opinions of theory scientists or faith in the Scriptuers? I choose the latter.</i><br /><br />I think it's a false dichotomy, and I think we've been commanded in scripture to "have dominion" over the earth, to seek knowledge from the "best books," to use our minds. Faith is vital to the enterprise, but faith need not exclude reason (or science, if you'd like to call it that.)<br /><br />Anyway, thanks for stopping by, Doug. Take care.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-25103288191813483932010-09-05T17:39:47.174-06:002010-09-05T17:39:47.174-06:00To me this debate comes down to whether we have fa...To me this debate comes down to whether we have faith in modern theory science or faith in ancient scripture.<br /><br />Attemps are made by those who have a love for theory science to fit it in with their belief in God. Yet in spite of all the "evidence" of theory science it constantly is demonstrated to be wrong.<br /><br />Those involved say that this is expected as they learn new things. That is all very well but why should I believe those opinions almost destined to change, as opposed to Scripture which doesn't?<br /><br />Can science really prove that fossils take so long to form? Of course they can't. They can only claim they know within the bounds of their non-existent experience (ie. they have never seen them form).<br /><br />Are dating methods as accurate as they quote? Not from many instances I have watched done by scientists themselves. And how can any sensible person claim they kKNOW that the earth is this age or that age? Are we serious?<br /><br />If the Pope claimed something and all his cardinals, priests and nuns support it does that make it right? Theory science is a religion with often high paid ministers. Do I believe in it just because they may appear to agree with each other?<br /><br />In the end we have to go by faith. Is it to be faith in ever changing opinions of theory scientists or faith in the Scriptuers? I choose the latter.Doug Towershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17119162546723347214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-26508827151922007662010-09-04T00:57:05.980-06:002010-09-04T00:57:05.980-06:00Didn't Hugh Nibley theorize about pre-Adamites...Didn't Hugh Nibley theorize about pre-Adamites, too? I'm looking forward to hearing more on this topic--it's weighed heavily on my mind recently.Emily Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04269841451462164578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-25796266829279397032010-09-03T09:19:27.036-06:002010-09-03T09:19:27.036-06:00Thanks cinepro. Hop into the comments over at FPR ...Thanks cinepro. Hop into the comments over at FPR (linked at the beginning of the post) so I remember.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-9818606800285732252010-09-02T18:21:31.203-06:002010-09-02T18:21:31.203-06:00Interesting topic. An good follow up discussion w...Interesting topic. An good follow up discussion would be how the topic has played out in the decades since then. As far as I can tell, the "no death before the fall"/"no Pre-Adamites" factions has been winning by default in the arena of Church published statements.cineprohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14256320868634563295noreply@blogger.com