tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post2691546384488652111..comments2024-03-24T03:21:55.744-06:00Comments on Life On Gold Plates: "The Death of the Old Order": Resurrection, Community, and IdentityBHodgeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-89340855745120873112009-12-10T14:55:07.889-07:002009-12-10T14:55:07.889-07:00yes!yes!BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-56716124997188319842009-12-10T14:21:26.306-07:002009-12-10T14:21:26.306-07:00Well you know, it's kindof like how a particle...Well you know, it's kindof like how a particle can also be a wave....<br /><br />There's my qualitative contribution. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-33294330671009847892009-12-04T13:15:20.870-07:002009-12-04T13:15:20.870-07:00This blog post also leans toward an interesting re...This blog post also leans toward an interesting reading of the Spirit of Elijah. Communication theorist John Durham Peters has noted that D&C 128:15 and 18 seem to outline something of a "communitarian conception of identity and even salvation." Verse 15 and 18:<br /><br /><i>And now, my dearly beloved brethren and sisters, let me assure you that these are principles in relation to the dead and the living that cannot be lightly passed over, as pertaining to our salvation. For their salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation, as Paul says concerning the fathers—that they without us cannot be made perfect—neither can we without our dead be made perfect....It is sufficient to know, in this case, that the earth will be smitten with a curse unless there is a welding link of some kind or other between the fathers and the children, upon some subject or other—and behold what is that subject? It is the baptism for the dead. For we without them cannot be made perfect; neither can they without us be made perfect. Neither can they nor we be made perfect without those who have died in the gospel also; for it is necessary in the ushering in of the dispensation of the fulness of times, which dispensation is now beginning to usher in, that a whole and complete and perfect union, and welding together of dispensations, and keys, and powers, and glories should take place, and be revealed from the days of Adam even to the present time. And not only this, but those things which never have been revealed from the foundation of the world, but have been kept hid from the wise and prudent, shall be revealed unto babes and sucklings in this, the dispensation of the fulness of times.</i><br /><br />Scriptures:<br />http://tinyurl.com/yzvfxclBHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-31165730608086407362009-12-03T16:02:09.264-07:002009-12-03T16:02:09.264-07:00All this would make a fascinating topic for a blog...All this would make a fascinating topic for a blog post I don't have time to write!BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-27723590824364075702009-12-03T15:49:30.540-07:002009-12-03T15:49:30.540-07:00Buskirk's point is an interesting one. But on...Buskirk's point is an interesting one. But one thing I've been reminded of this year is how real discovery can be dependent on the synthesis of knowledge rather than specialization. Such synthesis can spawn new specialization of course. It is true of course that the cutting edge of many fields is inaccessible to the average person but this extends to experts too. In my own case, I have a fairly narrow knowledge English and mathematics. I can't tell you what the issues are in geometric topology. I can't even tell you what the issues are in most of partial differential equation theory, and that's where I cut my teeth. While I know something about text criticism, I could not intelligently discuss what goes on with many parts of literary criticism. I know something about quantum field theory, because I've been sitting in a seminar about it. <br /><br />But the peasant was trusting in ignorance. What was beyond his ken was white space, magic, religion. We're still just as ignorant, but we have a bit more understanding about how ignorant we are --- perhaps.WVShttp://boaporg.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-54005056792281719732009-12-03T14:09:44.484-07:002009-12-03T14:09:44.484-07:00WVS, also, I want to add something that is sort of...WVS, also, I want to add something that is sort of related. It played a part in my formulation of this post. I was thinking about the social nature of knowledge, how we are becoming more dependent on authority because of the increase of specialization:<br /><br /><i>"But there is no such thing as an individual knower. Our very thought, our very language, is a phenomenon completely dependent upon a social context; it is only through comparing our experiences with those of others, with the world, and with our thoughts that we can achieve any knowledge at all. According to Shapin, "It is incorrect to say that we can ever have experience outside a nexus of trust of some kind.” <br /><br />Ironically, the scientific and industrial revolutions have so fragmented knowledge that the individual knower is further from determining the truth herself than ever before. The amount of available information is overwhelming and the founts of new knowledge are too far removed from any given individual. The modern seeker for truth must therefore rely far more heavily on trust than the medieval peasant did."</i><br /><br />See Allen R. Buskirk, "Science, Pseudoscience, and Religious Belief," FARMS Review: Vol.17:1, pp. 273—310. I also was inspired by some stuff by John Durham Peters, a brilliant communications theorist, but couldn't find the exact reference. He planted the seeds from which this post grew.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-19812377526902888662009-12-03T08:16:09.960-07:002009-12-03T08:16:09.960-07:00WVS, the world has expanded and exploded. Geologic...WVS, the world has expanded and exploded. Geological studies extended time into the distant past and astronomical discoveries expanded space astronomically. Time and space have become so much larger, longer, whatever you want to call it, in the past few hundred years.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-36466146068160206592009-12-02T19:59:58.536-07:002009-12-02T19:59:58.536-07:00This is rather profound stuff. 2500 years ago, li...This is rather profound stuff. 2500 years ago, life was so constant because technology did not change. The present out of control locomotive of culture change seems connected with what happened in the US in the first part of the 19th century. Telegraph and roads. And then railroads really got it moving. Homogenization.WVShttp://boaporg.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-89483586628476425342009-12-02T11:03:08.870-07:002009-12-02T11:03:08.870-07:00thanks dan!thanks dan!BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32960447.post-70171701229408711642009-12-02T10:59:50.618-07:002009-12-02T10:59:50.618-07:00"In certain ways the very act of resurrection..."In certain ways the very act of resurrection will cause us to lose parts of ourselves, though I'm inclined to think it will be for the better." <br /><br />I hadn't thought of that before. Interesting. I like it.Dan Ripplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18120076634472360508noreply@blogger.com